but in fact, when he received the book, he then saw this note and saw the blood spatters and he, how strange. he did some research on it and he also is said to have connect to tennis to determine whether it was human but on the book. but i don't know whether that's true or not. he is that the story was passed on to us that he was satisfied he was human blood, but we don't really know. in any case, it is a wonderful volume that does all kinds of format of the islands. it has also a page that shows you the blood spatters. >> out of the blood spatters get on the road? >> well, she stabbed him. she was sitting in that. cannot come at the work.
his wife would not let her in because he knew that corday represented a segment of the french peep will that morale is very much opposed to the shoe is very angry with him because at that time they actually taunted her that they would have all of the people. so she became extremely angry and pulled the knife out of her dress and stabs him in the hearts and expired quickly thereafter because he basically bled to death very quickly. so there is probably blood all over everything. what i don't find very convincing as that he had this blood spattered page which has no blood spatters on it at all. back in the days that the hand press as this book was printed
on handmade paper, these plates were printed on different paper and were printed using a different method of printing than the latter press that would have been printed. so it is reasonable to think that before this was found, these might have been set right. he might've been looking at the plates that are from the rest of the text. but in any case, it would've been rather desire for someone to take these blood spattered plates. so i don't know what was going on, but the book itself is quite valuable for us because it does have so much information about the people living there, the way they lived. and so, it is an important bug, a book we would be delighted to have in any case, but the story
using in his bath in holding that adds a little extra to the book. >> next on booktv, henry rollins talks at iraq, afghanistan, bangladesh, irma and saudi arabia. this event was hosted by the "national geographic" in washington d.c. and is a little under two hours. [applause] >> good evening, everybody. this is my first evers light show. many years ago i had to care mess and i do still camera and it is ian mackay. ever take out both care mess and we would shoot everything we could. and quite often we would develop some of the still photography
ourselves for better or for worse. i had an interest for many years at one point i started traveling far and wide. i set up bring a camera with me. over the years as we guys want to do, it got out. i could do this. i'll try that. as an amateur photographer, which is all and you'll see. but i need it better gear. so over the years i've been dragging camera gear with me all of the world. it is why i stand like this. some of you know if you is small enough to get on the plane and they want you to take it somewhere else. so we are burdened with this insatiable appetite that it's nearly torn from your body and some deference in the world. but you have to haul it all around the room with you. sometimes your feelings get hurt with which you see.
and so, here we go with the slideshow. the first one i started. let's get the lights going. all right, this is afghanistan and that is in the back of each in a shared on a uso tour. we were coming back from a day visiting on the afghanistan border. we were the third one. i'm not remembering the name. so basically we're chopping towards bagram airbase near kabul and going through the mountains there. you know it's a good day because the back is down. use watching outside. some kind of blackhawk over there on the side watching us. i'm bad days, the gauge is that then there's a gun pointing out. i'm on good days the gate is down. the soldier was sitting there with the amount due bottles sitting whatever comes out of the tobacco in your cheek. and he was watching the sun go
down to have one of those incredibly mediocre army dinners later on. i snuck up behind him and took that photo. in this environment, quite often there's no one thing a club. if you fall off, you are screwed. so that was that photo. this is a bit of what is left on highway 80. this is kuwait, otherwise known as the highway of death. during desert storm, i guess whoever it was, schwarzkopf called in the air strike in the iraqi men and soldiers were flying back to iraq out of kuwait, knowing the kid was on the military forces when the hand and basically killed every single person underneath. eventually bulldozers and cranes have swept everything to decide and is a vast, desolate space at the howling wind and perpetual sandstorm. so i stood amongst all this
wreckage. the soldiers not would not allow me to go because the fed might go kaboom. this is an half-lives are until whenever. those are all driven by people whose homes are still sitting in the sand. this is a daily patrol over the streets of baghdad. is iraq and this is a blackhawk. and sitting opposite the sky who is armed, looking down and these guys go over the streets to make sure everyone is behaving themselves. i would go out every single day on a blackhawk and visit most of the bases. someone had died on that day's within 24 hours of my visit to her every single day i was out there stranded by very sad, very
grim soldiers. at night i sleep in different locations in the green zone and all night long, all you hear is intermittent gunfire. one soldier died i would really upset. he said they're celebrating after a soccer game. it was a bad scene and i was out there for a week. it was pretty terrified most of the time. i was lucky to be one that was fortified. it's delicate face going into my breath for. they were neither repeated daily mortar attack. i was signing someone's picture. i said okay, one guy does it hit the ground and everyone laughs at him. he's trying to save face goodies that i slip. and even i the last. and back in good old can't believe you miss it that much greater airbase, this is
leftover soviet were shot. the soviets had to leave afghanistan quickly. they let the bagram interface very quickly. you'll see these 9 cents quite often on the airbase that looks like a bit of a tank and some bit of a chat part perhaps shut out of the sky by a stinger missile supplied by your tax dollars. this is -- i took the photo because i'd make a phone graphic on the bottom. this is in beautiful downtown tehran, where there is a potential traffic jam. and i saw that little bit of bush graffiti. i said well, the uranian people have torn the first amendment from the constitution. they are having some fun. immature spider does somewhat me to see anything untoward come i said look at that. that's funny. you said don't look. so i jumped out of the car and he couldn't follow me. he says there's no way i'm
giving tehran, iran without that photograph. so it took a few snaps and john back in the cart and went half a block down the street. he says, that is forbidden. i said is just too late, pal. and i think it's cute. i hope all of you -- it's a big wish, but i hope all of you get a chance to go to iran sunday. the ice cream was phenomenal. people beg me to come back and bring a friend. a city goes up to visit me out here in america. come to new york, come to l.a. the yearly sad to see the eastern seaboard anything a pizza. i hope they do and i hope you do. >> this is bangkok thailand. this is a man, this is escape. he calls up and down the street in downtown bangkok and pushes his ball ahead of him. and i use this one shot because you can be the sandaled feat of people walking by him, paid him no mind.
so i stood in front of a shop on since eriksson watched them all up and down and he saw me looking. you got some bot coming your way. saigon in front of him because he has this wonderful expression on his face. it's an earnest look of optimism to me. or maybe i'm reading it wrong. but he's in iran calling back and forth and i put hopefully a nice chunk of change in his jar for him. that's escape. i asked people to visit bangkok regularly, have ever seen the guy with no legs? bear lake yeah that guy is always there. so this is his beat. this is what he does. this is burma. i've been to every country in southeast asia, sometimes many, many times. the people are heartbreakingly gentle and from at least to me. in the summer of two dozen eight, i had an opportunity to go to irma and we started and went north. this is north of rangoon a few
days straight and in mandalay. that is when i learned that bugs get one hour a day to be. that is why some of the bull's-eye really big. this is the biggest bowl of rice they'd ever seen in my life. there is so busy getting ready for the meal they didn't seem to mind me getting shoulder to shoulder with them to get this interesting vantage point. and they are very friendly. i have no idea they don't make it an hour. that hour is very, very special. they were streets can't get out blessings and basically get ready for the next meal. this is that you're one a river, in this crazy film crew went to burma with tried to sneak across the river in the south in pyongyang, trying to get you to hear the irrawaddy delta after the cyclone targets just hit. we wanted to document some of the destruction. some of you remember when cnn had sticky cams going into tonight chicago's trains get
footage. we found every copley cut and offered them money to let us get on the ferry to go across the river and get into the air when a delta region. it's the first country i've ever been in for a trait you pay off a cop and it didn't work. i think they're basically afraid of tonsure way, the senior general at the time. burma has had a new election and they have a new man in charge. they've abolished the title is senior general. there's no longer a military junta. there's my president, tension and apparently he's moderate and has had an open meeting but unsung sushi. so maybe things are looking better for the good people of vermont. they deserve a break it's a beautiful country, the largest in southeast asia. this is where -- many of you have traveled, i'm sure, to get to the pulsating heart of any town or village. i was go to the market, reverend comes to dish the dirt. the colors are amazing, usually aromatic and the people are very
friendly and there's always hustling and bustling. one of the interesting things for me is there's many different peoples and burma, lots of different tribes. many of them have workers and border disputes. but when you walk the streets of irma, you often see many different peoples of the world inside a village. you'll see different taste types and skin tones. all of them beautiful, but it ate up build platypus is a country, it would be burma. it's a fascinating place. i do hope i get to go back. i centered on a beautiful woman in the middle doing her work. every seven or 10 minutes, everyone gets up in those in the whole thing morphed and changed by the time i walked through half an hour later. this is chang mai thailand, summer 2008. the son of ronald mc donald statue to be very insulting to this woman. i have a big problem with
globalization and how america of the west washes up on other shores. ischemic donald's in chang mai, pretty much vacation time coming to see the sign of the subway. you can go to thailand and never really leave home. but the people of thailand introduce uniforms, to me it's like that in sunglasses and putting pot smoke into its face. ronald mc donald sees the blazing and the insult into this woman, so i took that photo. i wouldn't mind it if i smell smoke after he wiped at his place tonight and it was every mcdonald's in america being torched. and as you know, the french are still strong enough for this deal. i never want to know how an donald's impeded a. they just bracket. they kicked mcdonald's in the
stomach. and donald's is like they'll be fine, they'll be fine. this is the ninth ward and beautiful new orleans here in the united states of america. this woman, her name is kayla. kill used to live in the sun until the floods came. she'd never swung before and her life and took her granddaughter over her head and hauled her granddaughter over at his site she could hear the water was up to her nose and walked out with her daughter and granddaughter through water that was chang hi or higher and they escaped. she came back to this house for the purpose of an interview i did with her on the independent film channel and i interviewed her for quite a while. and now she was in a neighborhood with drive-by shootings and it's pretty terrifying because she lives with her daughter and granddaughter. she said something very beautiful and kind of poetic to me. she said i loved this house. she loved today. she said over and over she loved
this house. i said you must do because you spent so much time and that word you had to add more syllables. it is very beautiful and very sad in that expression was her whole attitude here choose us there, billy she cut herself and daughter and granddaughter out alive. a lot of people as you know didn't do as well. this is deeper down in the ninth ward. this is what a lot of the neighborhoods look like. the houses you can rebuild them. they been so toxic i buy whatever is in the water that was actually in the beating of the house. it's not worth rebuilding. said no one has the funds to start again. this was a house that you can see the front porch. that to me says a lot about sometimes have a friend things and the illusion of the land of plenty. sometimes when you get close, it's a lot of emptiness because it's just talk to get someone to did and keep them on the tree the train. all you could hear the neighborhood was the occasional
bird and the pounding of the nail. i interviewed a man sitting across from her the photo was taken. he actually saw the coming down injunction is fishing boat and was above all the houses and sent the next two days and his boat with this friend, chevy. they went from earth to earth picking up everything from dead buddies to survivors. he said god intervening, my boat never ran out of gas and i never slept and somehow it's okay. he said people were drowning in front of him trying to get to his boat and he couldn't save them. if it is hard to go back and remember these things? he said no, i was assigned to u.k. showed up and maybe do this interview. which shows you people want to move on. get ready for this. tonight evening will be ricocheting although the world. this is suing king louse.
i saw this on a documentary earlier and somehow tell sitting on plastic sheets and that i'm going to that place. it is then up liberated in which he sees as chart. this is ash and cremated bone fragments of humans inside and bone fragments of humans outside. they think maybe the rich were cremated and incurred in these jars. the guy showing me around me to choke. he said it's where people used to keep the liquor for the hoedown southside. so what it really is is that for speculation, but i think with some kind of of ground are real for the well-heeled. they are still excavating inside of these jars. if you look out, it is this growing field of jars. some falling over, said lead still honor next to them. but you also see her craters in the ground.
that is where nixon and kissinger carried out to stop ho chi minh. and so, a lot of this event dates to walk in because of unexploded ordnance. you see this beautiful slice of lowish and history in this magnificent sky and many see the remnants of kissinger and nixon's america and southeast asia. on some documentary, they brought the ravens back here and said, here's what you did. these are these grown men just taking orders. but they were seeing how they accrue in this beautiful part of the country. this is a one-day drive for me. i was determined to see it for a good 16 hours to get there, but it was worth every moment of it. if phnom penh and all of you know. but 10 miles at a phnom penh is the change back filling fields come in the most famous of the killing fields.
certainly there's many in cambodia, but this is the most well-known one. and the front is a buddhist structure called the stupa and thousands of schools. the sciences don't touch the schools. but please don't touch them. they've suffered enough. beyond that you pay a few bucks and walk into what is a small golf course and you see a lot of shallow graves but it excavated 9000 or 10,000 bodies in your taken as a prisoner taken to the tools find interrogation and they basically waterboarded to come up at your head in a cage full of hornets were you finally confessed to helping the americans or some type of insurgent group, which he didn't do because you're a farmer, but they would make you spell out your name. if you're lucky, they take you to the killing fields and excavated bullet. if they were trying to stand budget, duties a big state.
infants were taken by the angles and all of that you can go see. if you look on the ground coming of the many, many bone fragments, jawbone bullets. clothing command of the green every year. i pick up on fragments and walk through the very small field, where so much people were being terrified have been. this is saigon, my first trip to vietnam for which i wanted to go through considering america's involvement there. the legend is everyone in vietnam is really friendly. i found that to be true. one of the reasons is they're very friendly because they are nice people. the rearview of their country is a lot death and pain and sacrifice. so they got that out what they are looking for forward. they call it the american war. so sometimes that many people they are, the subtext of their
warm greeting is like welcome to vietnam, you were a loser, you. and these people basically one because they're still your come is still alive, flecks of ho chi minh and all of the plays. your opinion probably confers with mine. it's a lovely country. they are working very hard to move forward. these ducks, who look cute and hilarious jimmy, their little feet are all wired together at the bottom of this tax. that's why they're not leaving. they're not enjoying the ride. they will be stooped by the evening. i saw a man go by and a car coming back from the clichy province when i was trying to call through tunnels and had to widen for the westerners. anyways, i see a man who was like a cloud ducks. a motorbike onto two wheels, human head and a bunch of ducks. i said if i see that again and getting a photo. they go by with not so many, but ducks. they were always hilarious. they are part of the big show.
you can see both of them are smiling because i'm this tattooed maniac hanging out of a car trying to get this shot with a driver trying to hold onto my legs. i was determined to get this shot. when you are an amateur come you try harder. well, look where we are. you rock, saudi arabia. to made friends with the guy who is one of the 10 richest men in the world. he's in shipping, whatever that means. he said come to my father's palace tonight. first time it's ever been asked, so of course i went. this is one of the many mansions on the palace property. this guy's father has three wives. all three were traveling at the time. he said, named, check it out. this is one floor in one of the mansions. when monroe traveling yet the entire building was air-conditioned. all the lights were on an inner honor, many of the rooms had food and people staring at the floor, waiting to service.
after three and a half hours of going through the many mansions on the property, it has a swimming pool that goes through like a snake you take a swing to the different mansions or kayak. [laughter] i'm not trying to put his family in the pejorative, but this is basically says i have more money than is good and no taste at all. and the rules were freezing cold and outside. it's the desert. you can frye an egg on your face outside. and the power it takes to keep this will then cold, you could power the american midwest. it was basically a lesson in too much money is a bad thing. [laughter] [applause] welcome to beautiful joe jakarta. i was walking on the street and i see this woman with a t-shirt on. again, globalization is kind of wacky sometimes how the west was the one other shores.
and i would love to be able to explain to this woman the irony of this moment. and that that moment, two kids on a motorbike came up and recognized me. they go dude, what are you doing here? i think that's a direct quote. i said i get around. could you explain to this nice woman how hilarious this whole thing is? i'm trying to show her the tattoo. she's like buy some cigarettes. and in the local patchogue, they got across to her. she's like a hot, completely nonplussed. i got nothing from her. and i didn't buy any cigarettes that day, but that was the last thing i expected someone to be wearing mayor. and these two guys are pant sneakers. i went to jakarta and they are making trousers. he is making denim jeans. this is on the outskirts of a
slum. i spent a few days wandering around making friends with people. as soon as i plug my camera, he starts dance team. he goes into thing and you can see the left hand is the camera. he said when i'm done dancing, i'm taking a photo if you had said pro-quote, that's a good deal. so we laugh, he's putting it on for us. it was a good day. this is further down the road. this is a cemetery. have a slum, half christian. people in the christian have a fairly -- not a lot not a lot of sympathy in this format. you can't live there, but you can live in the christian have an people live there. so i walk in and never fed you with a dripping with sweat where tattooed man. let's check them out. people often ask me, what are you doing here? a standard icebreaker, semi-comedic one-liner. if that i'm here to meet you. my name is henry, what is happening? it hasn't got me killed yet. so far all is well.
in some places you pull a camera out and every kid in the world wants their photo taken. to this young man in the front of this amazing expression of determination, defiant and maybe he was late for some team and i was holding him up, but everyone else is kind of being a young kid. he is acting like the ceo of a company. [laughter] so i figured that was kind of fun to keep in the batch. this is bangladesh. i got there and i was greeted. migrating to bangladesh as a man with no arms beating on the side of my taxi window wanting money. you need to find humor whenever you can, otherwise for you going to do? descry all the time. so i'm yelling how can you give i give you money, you have no hand. i was trying that one out. i didn't know what to do. he has a friend who has one hand and they work as a double act. and so, i made a contribution.
hopefully they did it at 50/50, but that was my first heads-up in bangladesh as a man with stomps beating on my taxi. it is a wonderful country, but a lot of people are up against it. at one point i met a couple working for a company. if you want to see something interesting, there's a slum the side of old country called the corel slum. he said how do i find it quite walk out of the hotel and you can't miss it. so i spent a few days walking around islam and at one point i found a big pile of garbage in this family garbage picking. the mother and father are very, very busy picking garbage mess undiscovered to beautiful crows tommy. she took some photos and appearance were oblivious, gathering food. and she was incredibly beautiful about me to take her photograph.
but this is how people find their food. on the streets, keiko that way a mile, you'll see the card page motoring in the heat and young kids diving and like they are too wider and swim through the garbage and coming up a something in their hand and pop it in their mouth. it's hard to imagine american kids having to do that. but, you never know. these are some of those kids i'm talking about outside of the slum. ..
searingses, and i said any of you guys speak inning issue? the fellow in pink said yes, i said, do you realize how dangerous what you're doing is? and he said yeah. and he picked it up and started stabbing his friend as face, and you can see the heads of hypodermic needles on the ground, and they have sandals on but they're almost barefoot. i fit like some old uncle. you're being careful. they said yes, i said will you continue to be careful? they said, we will. i said, okay. and next to them were men cutting open i.v. bags and spread them out. hopefully this doesn't go back to the hospital where they run it in water and use them again. nothing gets wasted in this place. the plastic is being used for something. this is calcutta. india. and i spent quite a bit of time
in india because it's good. it gives you good lessons in life. everything is different in india. not better, not worse. just different. and the first time i went, i had dreams about india for the first three or four nights i was home. i kept waking up thinking i was still in india. i've been three times, and everytime i return i wake up in my hotel and think i'm in india. i can't shake it lose. in this, the sun is perfect. you have an hour of this where it coats everything, and the maps and his dog have been out all day on the streets, and they're taking a snooze, and i sat in front of them and neither of them woke up, and i took some photos and i went on my way. incredibly hot. and this guy dish don't -- this guy -- i don't know how many dead bodies you have been around. unfortunately some of you have in my experience, nothing more still in the world than a human corpse, where you can put a rock on the table, it sits still, but we expect it to.
humans, even when they're sleeping and knocked out cold, board to death in a slide show, you'll see movement. but when a human is dead, that complete lack of movement, it is a startling thing. when you expect hem to jump up and say, what are you looking at? when i came upon him, i had that deja vu moment of, that's a dead body. so i sat with this guy for quite a while looking for any signs of movement. there's a lot of flies on him. and i thought i saw his chest hair move, and i hoped -- i took that as respiration, and i hope i'm right about that. but it could have just been the flies moving the air around. this fly seemed to have descended upon him thickly. so i don't know if he is alive or dead. i hope he is alive. this is in new dehli. you can see on the right, they look to be caucasian man
mannequins and this is kind of subtly quiet and quietly awful. like suffocation, don't be yourself. don't show your face. you're somehow not welcome. and to see kids with their faces covered, there's something just really horrible about this photo. and so i took it, and i went back to my room that night, and i just kept looking at it, and i held on to it just because of the awfulness of it. and i don't know why the merchant put the bags over the faces. but that's the role of these people, faceless. i don't know. it's very sad. >> now we're in a beautiful central india, in the town of bopal. as you the area hours of december 3, 1984, at the union carbide plant, a component part of an insecticide there -- it's
okay on its own but when water is introduced, it becomes unstable and explosive. somehow water got into tank 610. the tank exploded. the scrubbers, machines that neutralize outgoing gas so the people around the factory won't be harmed -- neither of the scrubbers worked. so tons of aerosol escaped out of the plant, and killed thousands and thousands of people. reports on the death toll vary. if you're union carbide, you're saying, four people, skinned an elbow and all went home safely. people who are suing tell you there's many thousands. so the number is definitely more than 8,000 but you hear up to 20,000. in any case, a lot of people died. in the outlying areas, slower, and to this day they're still
finding toxins in the, so i up to three or four kilometers away, and you fine out when they were making the insecticide, the were dumbing basically in the backyard of union cash bide, -- carbide, and it goes into the groundwater, and people were drinking it from the well, and to this day people have rashes, central nervous system problems, and i went there on the 25th 25th anniversary of the disaster, and this is the outside of it. and so i went from new dehli down to bomal, and i found this terrified cab driver who looked at me and said, maniac. he didn't speak any english but i yelled enough, and said, union carbide. he succumbed and took me. i said, park, and i'll be right back. and i snuck into union carbide. i went up to the front at first, and i do the silly american tourist thing, because you can always get away with it.
i walk up to the front gate, and two men with rifles came up and waved me away. i said "right on." so i thought it was a welcome and i'm going to walk right past them. they were, no, no, no, not today, pal. guy not be tornade away. i flew too long to get there. it's not an easy trip. so i went around the back. i thought, this is easy, until i saw armed men on motor bikes and i had to dive and hit the ground, and i don't have a great appetite for that kind of anxiety, so i was sweating buckets. my heart rate was up. lost four pounds, so they went that way. i figure i got three our five minutes, so i ran in and hopped through a broken window into the building. this is the control panel that controls all the tanks, and i found the one that says tank 610, and i basically stood in the place where 24 years, 364 days before, a man went, uh-oh,
we're screwed. and the sign on the top right is irony at its best. and every year they eave a -- have a memorial and an open mic and people can talk about what they lost and who they lost in the disaster, and i sat there all day with a bunch of people in fury, especially the women, yelling on the stage, stomping their feet and ball up their fists, and one man recognized me, a journalist. he said what are you doing here? i said, i'm here to learn. what's going to happen? she said they're going to take this effigy of worn -- warren anderson, the ceo of union carbide, and he said they're going to take it down and light it on fire and go hole. i said what are you going to do? he said i'm going write a piece on it and. so he i said, nothing happened, he said you're the only
foreigner here, i'm the only downtownist. i said, is the government corrupt and he said, yeah, a little, and the people of bopal got screwed and warren anderson will never see a day in jail. this is one of the many slums in the area, and i walked in, and this young man, with the striped shirt, he said, take my picture. i said, yes, sir. and i quickly got my setting and took the photo. i showed it to him, and he went, okay, you can go. and i thought nothing of the photo, and i got back to my room and i looked at the photograph and i really liked it. i love the physicality again, the closeness of people. i liked how the kid in blue is touching his friend and how he is looking offcamera and huh the kid in the striped shirt is looking right at me. basically i think, saying, this is my life. you get to leave. i'm growing up in this. and i -- i don't know what makes
a change in a society where that kind of thing comes to an end. i don't know if it's money or some kind -- i don't know what to do in situation like this. this is how these people live. paging china. it was 800 degrees below zero. frighteningly cold. i left my hotel and made a right and walked to tianimen square, just before sun down, and this poor guy has to stand rigid in front of that great portrait of mr. mao there, and it was really cold, and i had some fun with the people there because most of the people on the street who aren't tourists are would-be tour guides, and therapies the same, how are you? i'm a polite guy. i'm fine. >> welcome to china. >> thank you, welcome to beijing. i'm a tour guide and i'd like to sew you the forbidden city. i said, really and i'm an angry
american, i'd like you to lay off the dalai lama. and they would run away with me. they say, i will go to the great wall at 0600 if you'll get out of tibet. deal? why are you running away from me? never thought i was funny. this is mali, and they called this -- sounds weird. they call it back mali because africans there are black, and if you go the north, they're basically arab and other tribes. so i'm in the south and i was there for a wonderful music festival that happens every general there and now in timbuktu. called the desert off music festival. i was living under a slab of camel skin. and i us walking around with my camera, and these kids saw me, and as soon as they see the cam remark it's show time.
and they came running after me, and i'm trying to make them understand focus. if you get too close i can't take your photo so i'm running beakwards and saying, hold on, hold on, and they're like, no, no, no, and the thing you might not know about this shot, the beautiful girl, far right, was shy, and that's the one moment she cut loose, because the rest of them were just hot are-dogging it in my face, pulling on my arm to see the photos. but she pulled back and that is the one photo where she had a good time. otherwise she got reserved and held back. you can see it in her hands. not kind of releasing her body like the other ones. but these kids were on me for quite a while. made me show them every photo i took, and it was a great afternoon. >> this is up the niger river. getting close to timbuktu. a different trip i did to mahli. one time i went via land and camped out under the stars every night. and one time i went via the
niger river, and this is 6:00 a.m. that's one of our two boatsmen. i forget his name. the other fellow's name was papa, and papa and this other man would take us up the river and had to cut the engines near the hippo pat muss because they see is at challenge and they'll go for you. so they open their mouth and gape at you and they're completely intimidating. so i saw this guy looking off, and i went, is that a photo or what? and so magnificent face against that beautiful blue sky. a great three days on that boat. really nice people i met there. and that's the festival. that's the sahara desert. a twilight man and his camel. and if you ever spent any time around camels, they same to be like andy rooney. they seem to be in a perpetual bad mood. and the camel driver will go, give the camel a command.
like sit down. and they're just pissed off about it. and then he gets them on the ground and give them a tug or kick them in a side, like a little whack, and get up, and they're equally angry and grouchy about getting up and they don't seem to have a very good day. but they're so delicate with their movement, and their real legs and the mechanics of their pelvis and how the rear legs are particular late and the camel toes negotiate the surface. i watched the mechanics of the camel and trying not to get spat on, because apparently you piss them off, they'll spit on you. so i took a photo of this young guy, and a lot of times the bands would be playing and the local men would come up on their camels, much like hell's angels at a bill graham concert, would roll up on their harleys, these guy is come in on their camels.
this is their desert and they come up and you're staring at this camel ass and it's part of the whole overexperience. this is later in the day, and this is when the twilight was there. and they would come through so you could dig them, and they really had this thing where they looked down at you not only from an altitude but with attitude. i have the sun screen off and out of breath and they're like, what a light weight. you're going home. we live in this. at midnight it's 30 degrees and you're wearing every stitch of clothing you have, and they're tough beyond tough. the men have fiery eyes and total control of the camels. but they come through at different times of the day,. just to show off, here we are, check it out. you want to be us but you can't do it. and you want to be them because of the camel and you know you could never handle it. this is the beautiful sundown
there. not the most infocus photo but all the silhouettes of the camels puts you in the place. and on the right are the twilight men and their camels, and at night they just recede into the desert. they would just disappear, and i would walk that desert at night, but the sun -- sorry -- the moon was full and you could read, and the sand is so white, very reflective. i walked for quite a while and got too cold and would have to come back. oh, look, it's pyongyang. north korea. took three years to get this visa. they let less than 100 americans a year into korea, and i got in time for the mass games. this this famous room where the north and the south meet. the back door is south korea. my back is to north korea. i'm there with my two tour spies
and some nor we jang 2004ists and we're all in there together and they're taking photos and making noise and taking photos of the soldiers who are somewhat tolerant but not into it. and i cascade crying with my man alone in korea, and i sat at the table and everyone left. and all of a sudden i'm alone with this guy, who became furious i dared to set in there with him. and he raised his left hand and put his arm down, and i took that photo and i said, thank you, and i kind of bolted out of the door as i was looking at my shot. i thought, if i can get this shot out of the country, i'm going to have a slide show one day, and this is one of those, as you know, with the -- camera you hope to get the camera right
and every once in a while you get the michael jordan and one second on the clock left situation, and this says a lot. that room you have seen it in a few different documentaries. though outside of the wall, american soldiers playing peek-a-boo. there are soldiers behind that, north korean ones in a triangular shape. one guy in front they can yank back if america starts firing bullets, and it's so grim and ridiculous the staredown? are you adult people? you're having a staredown? is it 3:00 p.m. after third agreed? what are you going to do. they should just get it over with. and as you know, they have the mass games every year, and the largest stadium in the world in pyongyang, north korea, and that's not a long television screen you seem that's -- i don't know how many school kids holding up colored cards, and they do this in perfect
synchronization, for a perfect 90 minutes, and every five minutes thousands of people in their outfits twirling something. they leave and another thousand people come out and do something. it's like cirque du soleil on growth hormones. remarkable. unfortunately no one has money to see and it you can park three soccer stadiums inside of this place. it's as big as long beach, california, and no one can afford to go in. and we tourists have the big seats at the 50-yardline. the 1.25 seats and there's less than 200 locals going in for eight or ten cents in the nose bleed seats and the rest is completely empty as these people for 90 minutes run around for beautiful harmony and no one gets to see it, and they do six shows a week for a month, and no one gets to see it. it's incredible. and they insist on having the biggest things. the biggs stadium. the arch of triumph.
our tour guide said that's our arch of triumph. i said that's very triumphant. he says, it's bigger than the one in france. and i said, yay! and a few days later, i went into the kim il-sung mausoleum. and i saw him, and we came out, and we're looking on the square, which is at being is a upstate new york. and the tour guide said this is bigger than tianimen square. i said, i'm going to have fun with kimmed said, kim, i've been to tianimen square, and i believe tianimen square is a little bigger, and he says, no. and he knows exactly down the square inch. and i said, no. i said i love your square because it's cute and i want the specs on it because i want to build one in my back yard so i can remember north korea.
and he stopped talking to me. he was like, -- he sulked and that's the only moment i had by myself in north corearch because -- north korea because i walked back to the car on my own. here's another scene. you can see how radically changing -- this is again the games here. this is -- it's incredible, and this went on for a perfect 90 minutes, and i saw this three hours after i got out of the airplane. i went from my ill-smelling stalinist room -- they keep all the touristness one hotel. this massive thing coming out of the ground, and you're woken up at 4:00 in the morning by a woman yelling through a blow horn has marshal music plays, and i said what is the yelling and the music? and they're building a building across the river in front of
your hotel, and the woman is yelling things to inspire the men to build, and the music inspires them. it's 5. a there's no coffee. and there's a woman yelling, go faster, you bastards. it's not most inspiring environment. and robbed me of sleep the entire week i was there. and what would a trip be like without huge statues of kim jong-il. and you buy flowers and put them in front of the statue of kim jong-il, and you bow as long as the tour guide bows, no argue about that. and i would bow with kim and he would always politely thank me for bowing to the dear leader. and the son doesn't get a lot of statues. he gets paintings, and they actually paint the lifters of his shoes in and sometimes they leave them out. and his father was a big
barrel-chested heroic man. kim jung ill kind of got the back hand of mother nature, and he is not the most powerful looking man, but in the paintings, he has these big rick butkus for majors -- for aways and is always hanging out with the farmers and fists like ups trucks and always doing something powerful like -- and everyone else is like, yeah. but in real life he is this guy with crazy hair. but everywhere you look there's statues of kim jong-il and paintings of kim jong-il. i've been to nepal before, and this bass two-day stopover going elsewhere. and i see flyers although group, and i figure it's either an invex or an election so i followed the noise and i found
these people and its they're parliamentary elections, and people started grabbing me saying, journalist, journalist, and i said, no, no tourist, because journalists don't always get the best deal in places. so they kept grabbing me and running me through the crowd. and i thought, wow, this is how i'm going to die. i'm going, no, no tourist, i'm not a journalist. and they throw me the front of things, and i realize i'm the only one with a camera. this guy on the right has a cell phone. but these people actually stopped playing so i could take a photo of them. and so i took a photo. and the woman behind him said, enough of your camera, let's get dancing, and the people started playing and this man started dancing and twirling around so i started my auto drive when he was looking that way and i captured him. and i was out there until i lost thelight, and people asked me to take their photographs.
very happy about the elections. i get back to my hotel room and i go online and i type in kathmandu election, and i fine out from the internet the press had been kicked out of the elections around 8:50 a.m. that morning, and i'm the only one who got pictures. and so i sent them to management, who sent them to getty and ap, but little old me with my camera, i got a scoop. just kind of wandered in. hey, how about a photo. so, the fun you can have. >> this is tibet, and while i do not have any real problem with the chinese people, many of whom i have met who have been very nice to me, tao and his policy toward tibet i have nothing but problems with. so it i met a woman, my tour guide, and she explained many things to me. she would talk to me breathlessly at a mile a minute.
wanted to give me the entire history in a day and a half. so i would ask a question and she would be, see be veer very quiet, i'm talking, and she would would put accents on the end of words to give them more force, and she would say, many, many dead. men dead, and we were coming out of the palace where the dalai lama lived, and i asked, do you think the dalai lama will come back? that's a long question. she almost started crying. she said, no, no he will never come back. we are many sads. look at the people on the street. many, many sads. and the chinese soldiers are all over lhasa tibet and never let you forget their presence, and if you lock eyes with them they will come over. i was told, do not look and do not take a photo so since i don't have a long lens, i can't get them from the front so like a coward i stalk from behind and took a photo. but it says something.
the tibetan people -- i meat many -- who are heartbreakingly friendly, beautiful people, and maybe the bluest sky i have ever seen, and the chinese are ruining the lives of the tibetan people and i don't know the solution to it. i don't think the tibetan people have the weaponry or mindset to overthrow that. these are teenagers. they want someone to mess with them. theythey're like young, dumb and full of something. and they want to get into it with somebody, and you see the people endure these men and you cannot walk around more than five minutes without these guys bumming out your fun. and that's what it looks like there. and it doesn't even look real. that looks like out of someone's dream. the dream of a perfect day put on a photograph. and that's me leaning out of a truck taking that photo on the way into lhasa. i don't know what the chinese are going to do to that. i hope i don't see a hotel and a
ski lodge up there the next time i go. this is bhutan, and bhutans is interesting. used to have a traffic light but they didn't like so it they removed it. and bhutan -- they don't do traffic lights anymore. you just have to be real cool. marijuana grows everywhere. i i was walking around with a guy, and i said, is this marijuana? i don't recognize it that well. looked like it. he say, that's marijuana. it's everywhere. it's everywhere. and i said, what about this? he was like, yeah, you know, no traffic lights but a lot of weed. and unfortunately bhutan is beautiful and serene, and after an hour and a half i was superbored. you wont to see another monastery? we saw four today. i said, do you have a crematorium around and he was like, yeah, weirdo. i'm like, can we go? and he's like, yeah, your tour.
so we got there, and i said, got any business today? and he went, yeah. we're doing four. and he said, can my american friend come and watch? and they basically said, yes. get out of the way, be in the background do not interfere, and, yeah. so i spent the entire day -- we stayed for about six hours. the monks come in, in the afternoon -- the men come and deliver the dead bodies. who are all wrapped up, and they build the pier, pie pyhrs, and then the monks go into a two-hour prayer, which is chant, and the day take a break from the channing, which is beautiful and terrifying, the vows are powerful. and then they blow through these horns. some are made of home bones and some are metal, and then young
monks -- like the rookie on the far right -- not trying to be insulting -- they're light the bodies. you're young, here's the torch. so you see one, two, three, four people being cremated. and i got as close as i could without being intrusive because it's a funeral. so i noticed that the color of the smoke changes once you burn through the cloth and the wood and you start burning flesh. the smoke goes from white to gray, and you hear this sound which sounds like rain falling and crowd realize that's flesh sizzling. and then the wind changes. so that's what it smells like. so i stood there with this fellow for quite a while as the sun got darker and darker and the bodies are burning, and the dogs are waiting for all that food on the table to get thrown to them. so they're hanging out. they're not going to eat human body parts. they're waiting for whatever scraps are thrown to them. so the dogs knoll the routine.
and finally i had my fill around dark, and me and the tour guide i washing back to the car and i said have you been there before? he said, in the pire second the left, that's where we cremated my father, and i said, i'm so sorry i dragged you through this! he said, i'm buddh his, it's cool. we have a whole nuther take on this than you do. i'm not trying to be funny or flip. i would never denigrate anybody ares religion. if somebody said you have to pick a religion, i'd pick buddhism. you can be late, high, and they'd be, have a seat you got some vomit on your shirt but it's all right. and buddhism seems to be very forgiving, and pretty cool. learned, be honest, be cool to people, which is the a tent net of many religion but i like the
way they dress, and there's something calming about monks. when you go to countries with lots of monks around, i don't know. you sleep better at night. this is hanoi, vietnam, and this is my second visit you see the girl on the left, she looks a little different than you expect. she was contaminated by agent orange, and so she is having developmental problems, as you can see. and america dropped hundreds of millions of tons of this stuff on the people of vietnam. mainly in the center of the country. this is the north. not a lot of ordinance or chem halls dropped on the people in the north, people fearing china or russia would formally weigh into the vietnam war. so they basically kept dropping bombs away from there, until the christmas bombings in 1972 when nixon and kiss skin jerry
basically bombed hanoi the negotiating table in the north of vietnam they have the rainbow village, started by an american war veteran who came back and saw what america had done and he felt bad. so he started an organization where people contaminated by agent orange and they're offspring -- we're now four generations into this -- can get treatment. so a meeting was set up for me. i met the director, gave him a cash donation, and i said can i walk around and take photos and he said, you can walk with help. i went through different classrooms and children have different degrees of problems and challenges, and the first classroom was kids are up against it. this is the last classroom where people have motor skills and they're making flowers, and if you see in the ground those are paper flowers, and i found out that people still suffer from this, and they treat older
people -- these are vietnamese -- vietnam veterans who fought in the war and they're there for a three-week round of treatment. and i was there with my guide, who was obsessed with john mccain, and whenever he would see a photograph of john mccain, like when we were visiting the hanoi hilton, he would just go off. look, it's john mccain. i'm a big fan. oh, no, i crash, and he was unbelievable. i wish he was here now. he should have opened for me. he is amazing. but anyway, he was my translator, so he is to the right of me. and i have my camry in my left hand and my digital recorder in my right, and he is hold mapping of vietnam. and so we asked these guys if we could interview them about their anytime the war and about agent
orange, and they fairly tackled me because no one ever asked them to tell the story. very gentle and friendly men. and you can see the sadness in their faces. the man in the brown shirt, his skin constantly itches and his arms were outbroken. i believe it's the man in the back, his tess -- tess -- -- the offspring offered very much and all of them, between all the fathers -- the one had the least kids had one. the one with most kids had nine. and four or five of the nine had died and the other four are very challenged. so they told me about their struggles and how their kids struggle and how the agent orange is still playing a big part in their lives, and they're there for treatment. and down in monsanto, the people
who made agent orange, and they'll tell you to this day, trying to avoid a class action lawsuit, there's no harmful aftereffects of agent orange. i think they should pay big and pay every day and they should pay forever because these people didn't deserve what they got. this is northern uganda. and this is an organization i worked with called "drop in the bucket." and its draws water wales in uganda and sudan and now they're pushing into western sudan, into darfur, and i have been raising money for them and going on the trip to africa with them, and to see them work in the fields is just as amazing thing. they're an ngo that is getting it done. and they got a water well drilled and they're happy and hydrated, and not to make you feel uncomfortable but there's a problem in schools where there's water shortages, where girls hit a certain age of their life, their bodies change, and without
water, they're unable to keep clean so they become very self-conscious and stop going to school. so for young girls they kind of stop going to school at a certain age, and their education drops off. with water, with latrines and real toilets and sinks, young girls can keep themselves together, they complete school. village become more literal, on an equal playing field and it's a win-win-win-win-win situation. these kids saw me, guy with a camera, and they ran at me. and that one kid in the middle, he and i found each other, and i said, you're it, and everyone else is way paper so me and this kid and everyone is just good-looking background. and another day, another water well. and i believe we're in northern uganda or southern sudan. we drove for two days and couldn't find water. so they move the drill over to another part of the property. this is another school.
and just the buoyancy of these kids. they're friendliness. good-looking people. good-looking kids. the tone of the skin, the way it is lit. i love the green hover the shirts. and their curiosity. their interest in me. the tattoos they thought were hilarious. they would grab my arm like it was an assignment and showed my arm their friends like it didn't belong the rest of my body. look at this one. and they learned my name. i was there for a few days, and they would come up to me and one would run the front door, good morning, henry, and i would go, good morning, and they all laugh. the funniest thing the ever heard. and i guess i looked odd to them. so a really great photo. and this is southern sudan. these are mindara and they're a
herd and they follow their cattle. and they basically milk the cows and trade the dairy products for millet and for rice, and these are very, very big people. like 6'5", superstrong. but their physicality was immense, and basically the men wrestled, and they wanted their photos taken, and if i kid walked up in in the middle of the photo, they would hurl the kid out of the way. the men are really rough with each other. kind of like, hey, how you doing. what and they shook my hand and i'm like, wow, and they liked drop in the bucket because drop in the bucket brings them soap, and soap is a big deal. and so they see the drop in the bucket truck and they're like, yay, it's the soap people. so we brought large chunks of soap to the chief of this one particular group, and he said, come on in. do whatever you like. and i said can i take photos? he said, you brought soap. do whatever you like, and shin
gave me the okay, everyone else said, sure, take my photo. so these guys wanted their firsts taken and they smeared themselves with ash-because in the evening there's a lot of flies. so the build fires for the smoke, and covered themselves with ash and the scene it out of some kind of psychedelic rock video. it's misty, tall, beautiful people covered in ash. like the scene out of a movie. amazing. and they were friendly to me. they thought the the tattoos war trippy. both forehead you'll notice the v cuts. that's a decorative scarric indication. the guy in red is hold his favorite cow. and i dug the cow and took some photos and you see the movement of the arm of the fellow in the blue trunks. that's the symbol of the hop. that's their people.
so whenever you take the photo, this happens. that's the horn. and that's the symbol. and i love the ash on the faces. just makes it all -- that's trippy looking. that's how i remember it. we're walking through, going, what is this? and you find these tribes dotted around southern sudan, and we rand into them a couple days later but the sun was better for this, so i used these shots. >> this is, again, southern sudan, and this is a chief of a tribe, of a group. i think he is dinca. and i said, sir, may i take your photo? and it was translated to him and he nodded yes, and thought it was hilarious. he was very patient. i took his photo. his teeth are filed. i said, what a face. the history of the world in that face. so i took lots of different photos and he laughed at me the whole time, like you and your stupid machine, but, okay, and he is just very, very gracious
about it. i showed him the photos. plealy up impressed. like, yeah, so? and that was over pretty quickly. this is juba, and as you can see on the sign, it says vote your voice to register. this is the end of 2010 when people are registering to vote, to second -- secede from the north, and i think going to be the new capital. used to be jub and it's moving. so they elected silva as the new president, and the people i talked to there they're so happy. they're so excited. they fought for 22 years for this, for democracy forks the opportunity to vote, for cessation of war, and the people you talk, they lost a good deal of their family to the stupid war, and these are the ones who are left. and they can't wait to vote. i mean, i was almost in tears. i would say, what do you think about getting a chance to vote?
they'd say, i'm the only one in the family that gets to involvement the rest of my family are dead. i can't wait for january 9th. so a lot of them had rose-colored glasses. the think it's going to be a wonderful country. and i said, you know khartoum is not going to smile favor my that you have the oil and agriculture. he says, it's going to be fine. i said, do you think so? and said, no so much. and there's been some turbulence, and i hope that calms down. and kind of to coincide with the book end with our mind sign in afghanistan, this is a mine sign in southern sudan, and countries all antipersonnel mines to kill people, and afghanistan is the most laden with antitank and antipersonnel mines. laos has the most ordinance per
person. here, the north laid a lot of minds in the south, and so a lot of the fields are not yet fully cleared. and i was walking one of the mine fields with an excel, -- ex-soldier, and i said let's go there. and he said, you notice the bulldozer tread stops? when the bolidesser tread stops, you stop. so i went back to the truck with him. i went to haiti because i wanted to go and i'd been curious about haiti for quite a while. i did not have a chance to go close thor time of the earthquake so my great regret. so i went when i could, which was a few weeks ago, and i went there with a bunch of money, which i decided i was going to leave in haiti. so i went through hours north out off port-au-prince, and i went to an orphanage, and we were delivering shoes and shirts, and i met the woman who runs this, a haitian american
nurse who lives in miami. her father is haitian. she flies back and forth from miami with her meager pay and keeps this 50-kid orphanage afloat. this kid lost miss parents in the earthquake and he is looking off through me and into the great distance, and i kept trying to make him smile. a beautiful little boy. and he wouldn't smile and looked right through me. i took this photo and this face will haunt me for the rest of my life. i spent a week and a few days in port-au-prince and the surrounding areas. so i decided. what can i do. i'm not an ngo, don't have thousands of gallons of waters. so i basically improvised and would go into tent cities and men would start yelling at me in creole, and i had a guy with me and i said, hold on a second. i'm henry. we can work this out. what's the matter? and they're angry. i said, what can i do? i can't bring you a truck of water. i'm a guy in a rented car. and the men would say, we could use some soccer balls and soap.
and as you can imagine, you and i we jump in the shower, we think nothing of it. port-au-prince haiti is like miami on steroids. you get very sweaty very quickly. the ability to wash your clothes and wash your body and not smell is a big deal. so soap equals dignity. so they said, soccer balls and soap. i said, i'll see you later today. one guy says, no, you won't. i said, you don't know me, pal. i'm a nut. so i got this guy jimmy, the translator guy -- now seeing the maniac he is dealing with. and i said, jimmy, off the money changers, and we get a good exchange rate on some goods. i say, take me the supermarket. we bought $50 of eight cent bars of soap and every sock ball they had. so we came back to the place and came walking in with soccer
balls and bars of soap and guys are like, all right. you're not so watched bad. i said told you i'd come back. so we distribute the soap and associating balls and the women came up and grabbed the soap, and the men started fighting over the soap. these are adult men and they start fighting over the soap, like they're going to have a fistfight over eight-cent bars of soap, and you and me we're responsible, cool, switched of human beings. we cannot let fellow humans in the world have fistfights over eight-sent bar office soap. that's an example of everything that it wrong about human real estates when grown men in a tent city are fighting over an eight-sent bar of soap. anybody with a dollar bill, with give that to tent city. so the desperation i saw there was very, very hard to take. so i basically just -- i bought
soap and soccer balls every day. i'd go to tent cities and go, here, and i did this every single day. and finally, i was in the big tent city that holds about 30,000 people and there was jimmy and was giving the soccer balls with. soap is gone, and i saw this kid and this lady. and said was this kid born in the tent city? she said, yeah. so these tent cities are permanent dwellings. they're tend but permanent dwellings. some tent cities have a tent designated for prostitution. the price for a moment is about a 1 point 25. the prostitute gets 1.25 and gives a quarter to the guy who opens the tent for a temporary rent i took a lot of photo of the tends and one guy said at night its so hot we can't sleep, we have nothing. we're miserable.
and to have an adult say that, it was tough to take. this is downtown port awe prince -- port-au-prince, and this is the largest church they have. it's huge. you look at the rubble, you can see how much port-au-prince got shook. basically downtown looks like a rocket attack hit it, and apparently a lot of money went in there. hard to see the evidence of what it did. so the churches, no more. jimmy used to go to this church with his wife, and right over there in the far right, he showed me where he used to sit every sunday, and that's over with. the people still want kerr in the church to pray. so we wandered through the church for a wheel. it's surreal looking, the big beautiful sky and the blownup church. we go around the front and there's a man in the heat, in a suit and tie. and he is yelling at a statue of jesus christ in front of the church and is angry to the point where he has been yelling all day and he is horse, and he
would yell at jesus and walk away and come back and then wouldey and point. i said, jimmy, what he saying? he is very angry at god and jesus christ because of the earthquake and he wants more change and he is mad. and then the man kept repeating something. i said, what is he repeating? he is saying the judge is guilty. the judge is guilty. the judge is guilty. and i said that's really heavy. do you feel how heavy that is in jimmy is like, i don't know. i said, that's a hell of a thing to say. and the guy was furious, and i'm furious with the ngos because apparently a whole bunch of money went there, and like i said, there's part office this place that are so hard-put, and now people are living in the rubble. i wandered through the department of ministry, which is now -- looks like godzilla stomped on it.
nothing but rubble and human fecal matter. you ever been around that when people are using the street for a sewer. it's the smell of defeat. humans have given up. we're done. and i smelled it in different parts of the world. it's a smell i hate. it offends me because people have given up. we should not give up on the people of haiti. i'm the one in the middle. thanks for showing up tonight. [applause] >> when you were in black flag and were a punk rocker, when you were in -- must be water somewhere, anyway, when you were in black flag, you were
obviously -- had this hiding thing going on in your mind the whole time. this need to not only communicate but to understand the world. i mean, where did it come from? >> i was very lucky being in rock and roll. you could be very broke and see big parts of the world. you can get to japan in rock 'n' roll. you can see australia and europe. you cannot pay you rent but we well-traveled. as a kid my mom took me to greece and turkey and she is a museum gallery person and she would save her pay and track me out there and i had a passport when the still made the green ones, like 1850. and so i knew about travel and jet lag and all that as a little boy. so with rock 'n' roll i was able to travel, and when you travel
with music, you see a tougher part of the city, the part of the city where they let you make noise and throw beer cans. so not only in america but all over the world i got to see kind of the tougher part of town and see kind of how people lived when they're not all that well looked after, and that made me want to know more. you meet people. what are you doing? i'm in a band, oh, wow. rockin' rock 'n' roll is all cool. so i would hear a lot of stories and i would say to myself, pretty well traveled. never went to africa and i was going to change that. i was raid on the national geographic magazine. and i remember the sphinx and the speier pyramids and i thought, one day i'm going to see that. one year i had some money finally. said i'm going now bring africa into my travel. and i would go to africa every year, one to three times a year, and egypt was one of the first trips.
the first african country i went to. >> there's a review -- theirs is the book, by the way, and you have to get it. it's remarkable. you have seen the photographs but the writing writing in the s extraordinary because it isn't henry saying, here's why i went. this is you really digging in, in a very personal way. can you talk about the writing? i've read it two or three times and it's very emotionally moving. >> a lot of the photographs, a lot of them you saw tonight. some are new. a lot of the photos are somewhat hard to take and i'm reactive to them. who likes to see a hungry kid or someone who is having a bad day. living in squalor, so i would start writing about these pictureses, and a picture of a little boy who is showing area signs of starvation, the stomach is sticking out, and i wrote this thing about -- i looked at
the photo and this thing came out of me. i said i'll put that in the book and every ten pictures i'll do a thing of writing, and living alone you have a lot of time to yourself, and a few days later i said i'll write a damn thing for every photo in this book, and i found out it was an unbelievable amount of work, but i'm married the idea and now i have to do it. so eave one of these photos has a crazy piece of writing where i looked at the photo and went for what it was making me feel, and quite often it was draining and painful. writing i can do but avoid it because it hurts so much. but i owed those people that. they're owed dignity, and the way i try to dignify these beautiful people is to make a photo of them. and i wanted to make a photo book you can't thumb the quickly. you have to stop and read this thing. henry burned some calories and want knows pay attention.
so i try to make it so the person says, he gave it his all. he didn't just blightly go someplace and take a photo. i go to places and get to lead. i go back to the hotel and take a shower, work out in the gym and eat dinner. they go back to where they're living so to take away -- how disgust that really is, i'm just trying to communicate the lives of these people through the book, through the lens, because my fellow americans don't travel as much as they should and maybe present company could be accept. maybe many of you have a passport. a lot of americans could benefit from going to india. every american should go to india for two weeks. every american young person should spend a month in africa doing something and seeing a different part of the world that is so radically different. would be a good thing. the travel i have done any life has humbled me and made me really like people as a young person i didn't like you can people so much. you know, you're young and have
a headful of steam. but traveling -- when you go through places where people don't have much and they're willing to give half of it to you, and their so gentle and friendly and been through so much. you lookty history of their country and you see what your country has done to their country and is still welcome. that's a hell of a thing. make outside have to ante up with your level of human kindness, and that's what these people have given to me. so i try to give back with the book. >> you talk about traveling on your own. you're surrounded by people all the time and wreck needed. but -- recognized but when you're traveling by yourself. >> you get the epiphanies. i'm -- feel free too disagree. when there's someone with you, it's tilted. because people have different schedules. i want to walk. i want to sit down.
let's have a fight. and i don't want to have that win enough. so i just travel by myself. i make my own hours. i keep crazy hours. and when you see something amazing on your own, you're like, wow, and i weaned myself away from, i wish i could tell someone else. and i will. i'll tell a story and be on a stage. but right now it's just me and this mosque in the afternoon and unthat's what it's all about. we're standing in front of the great pyramid in giza. it's like no human could have built that thing. makes you believe in extra terese -- aliens. it's three times as big as you think. i've been there three teams and it's my reaction every single time and, and to stand there alone watching the sun set, i wouldn't trade that experience for anything. and if anyone was next to you, they'd like, no, way.
s-h-h-h. you want athlete moment and that's why i travel alone, and makes you burn mean tissue. by month three of traveling alone, i'm out there with two back packed, one full of socks and cliff bars and the other one camera gay. but by day 70, you're tripping. because you're alone. i got two thing office soup left. half a swallow of water. i can do this. and then i come back to los angeles and it's -- >> i'm sorry but we have to do is this -- >> you go from that to photographers waiting for you to come out of the grocery store so they can photograph you walking to your subaru. really? paparazzi in the trader joe's parking lot? and this tells you, time to leave again. >> i'm sure there are many questions which we'll get to. just talk about the photography a little bit. due go loaded down with camera equipment? >> the more i travel the less i take, and so now i travel with
two bodies. i use canon gear. and i bring two or three lenses. and other lenses, like, here's your photo. the 24 footer, 16 to 35, it bends people and bends the sky in a beautiful way and kind of makes people come alive, and i carry all that with me and i used to use the 1df mark 3, the big camera, but you go down the street and everything stops. it's a camera. so i use a smaller body now. lets you slip and slide through people. i'm not trying 0 to be obtrusive. if somebody doesn't went they're photograph taken ex-like in senegal, which is a shame because you couldn't find a more photographic people. tall amazing jawlines and the women were inscribe blue
beautiful. you pull out a camera and they're like -- okay. so i put the camera down but the smaller the camera, you can get out of there i'm not trying to bug anyone but die want that photo. >> there are some reviews already. i think -- when did the book come out? >> today, monday, this week or next week. >> some great reviews already, entertainment weekly said, punk rock icon, spoken word poet, author, deejay, anything this guy can't do? >> enjoy, relax. >> you never stop. why is that? >> because i come from a minimum wage working world of washington, dc of the late 70s and early 80s, and i'm not a trying to give you some poor -- like a lot of people, i cleaned up after animals, tore tickets in a movie theater. worked at haagen-dazs. watched the parking lot at
pearsons. 3.50 an hour, so i have no illusions. i was lucky i got to be in a band called black flag, and basically just went for it, auditions. what die have to lose, this soup any hand? access to free ice complete i'll go for this so i'm basically educated and ready to go back to parking your car or whatever. so, anything else that comes my way is gravy. that's why you'll see me in some of the worst movies you have seen in your life. like -- because i'm not not bra, so i'm never going to be in godfather three. i will be in bug movie three. i like to eat a lot. every day. and so if there's a job, i'm like, i religion take that. but it's a bug movie. let's make a good bug movie, then. i know where i come from, and i'm not saying it's bad. this is just -- i feel like
jethro bodine getting a free pep at the bank. woo, i get to keep it? i sayey to everything. >> i love the fact that when you were a kid you used to walk around the national geographic. >> i lived up the street from here. >> you got the magazine and your life is taking you on this journey because is think more than any of the people i have worked with, that i have brought into national agreeee graphic. you feel quintessentially national geographic, and i'm personalitily proud you're here this evening. and i'm now -- i would like to -- i'm sure there are a million questions, and let's see. any hands? over here. >> henry, i was just wondering
to hear your opinion on the "occupy wall street" movement. >> i think finally protesters are getting the real points of tax inequality, of campaign finances reform, the whacky eye jinx of the banks, deregulation, the big issues that are making america do what it's doing, and there's a protest going like those bullet points are being addressed, and when people say we're the 99%, that's a true statement and unfortunately people on different sides of the aisle won't be able to say, let's just throw away all of that for a minute and all agree on this big, big point. so i think it's a great thing. i just hope that these people can survive the winter because the people that are angry at go into heated buildings and they watch it from 30 floors up and laugh. and winter is coming to new york, to washington. will not be happy and friend limit but the great people of wisconsin stood up, and i think
there's going to be a whole lot of people coming the with a of these people. [applause] [applause] >> so you're seeing a change in the world, yemen, tunisia, syria, and this gathering addresses that. >> question over here. >> henry, i'm wondering, as a photographer and all, one moment that -- your pictures are amazing. what's the one moment you had where you crossed the line from photograph for human and go, i can't take a picture of this? >> that's a good question. so far not. in that i've not been in a scene of war or haven't been around any great def deoperate where i said i'm not going to take a photo. perhaps not walking closer to the bodies that were burning in bhutan. i don't have that kind of
fascination. and the thing where i was on the fence of was using the photo of the sleeping man who might be dead, and i sat there for quite a while. i took the photos. i just look the texture of his skin. a handsome man. but if he is dead i don't want to run this photo and i really want him to be alive. i'm not looking to take pictures of dead guys for my amusement, unless i'm on assignment and i'm hoping the chest movement i saw was a sign of life. so i'm not a trying to run some dead guy to make you go, oh. and that was a moment where i'm like -- i'm not trying to bum anyone out. not trying to disgrace humanity with these photos. quite the opposite. that's a moment where i had to pause. otherwise, these photos i take, it's -- in any mind it's people standing up to all this and going, i'm still smiling. you can't beat me and that hopefully what the book gets across. that's the one so far -- that's
the one time i paused. >> anymore questions? i can see a hand at the back here. >> just so you know, i'm going to be hanging out after this, so i answer any damn question you have. i always hang out. >> hey, henry, they say a picture is worth a thousand word, so i'm a write sorry have to scribble all the time, and i feel like -- is there somebody else who loves to travel and has a boundless curiosity and wants to tell stories of those experiences, have you ever found a moment where you were torn between, like, taking a picture and the experience of the beautiful sunset or whatever it was? >> i'm greedy. i do both. i have the moment and i get a photo of it. there's -- you can take a few photos and then put the camera away and just sit in this for a
moment, and that's sometimes hard because once you have the camera, everything is a photo op, and then the momentes over and i didn't get to go, oh, that's nice now i make sure i enjoy the moment and try to get a useful photo that reflexes it or gets something across. so as far as advice, get a passport, go as far and as wide as you can. unfortunately for women, traveling to some places is kind of tricky. but i have run into solo females in places where they're just going for it. like parts of morocco. got to be careful. certainly nairobi, kenya, parts of africa can be a rough road but so can cincinnati. so you got to be careful anywhere. but i think you should be bold and go far and go wide. and i've almost been killed a couple of times, and always in america. the rest of the world has been very, very kind to me thus far. so, if you show curiosity -- and
you'll show it with everything. the way you walk. it says, i want to know, and i've been friends with cab drivers. they take me into their homes. when i was in iran, no one let me pay for anything. no, no we'll feed you. thanks for coming. okay. and this happened to me in syria, lebanon, people have been so welcome to me because i'm looking around, big smile, and so far so good. it can all go south on you quickly but you kind of have to look where you're going, but don't live under a rock. life is too short for that. >> how much goes into your travel and getting getting intoh korea. >> took two years to get the visa. other countries, they just make it really hard. some of the forces in america are getting to pakistan -- i was in pakistan when bhutto was assassinated, and my camera was stolen at heath throw so he throat. it was difficult and expensive
to get to pakistan and return -- iran. i tried to get a visa in america but somebody told me to go to dubai. so i went to dubai -- talking to the wrong guy. they try and make it -- the time i get grilled the hardest by homeland security -- they pull me over fairly o. when i came back from syria, they took me into the room and three guys gave me the what for. why did you go to syria? it's hot there any other can hes. no. do you have any questions for us? i said, yeah, how long is this going to take? and shay said, you can go. it's a legal visa. i think there's some forces in america they don't want to you you have the a good time and realize everybody can get along and war is an awful thing and
everybody should be rock out. they don't want to let you in on that huge truth and that's the one i find everywhere i go. everybody wants their okayed have literacy, clean water, roof that doesn't leak. you know this. when you see it in action and walk down the streets and people are, thanks for coming and not being frame. i'm like, great. come to my country. my tour guide in north korea, kim, said, maybe we'll met again. i said, are you kidding? if you ever come to l.a., call me. what aim say. e-mail me later. what's the internet? >> that would be something i'd like to do. >> yeah. always have pyongyang. >> you have published six books. you toured 150 days a year. >> i've written over 20-some books because i sleep with the owner every night. i do vanity projects and make my
own little books and good wherever i want. i try to average over 100 shows a year. last year what 140. next year will be 1 70 or 200. this year a mere 50 or 60. >> slowing down. >> i'm 28 year so i'm trying to cool it. >> it's amazing to me that you are able to travel incognito anywhere. you do get recognized quite a lot. >> the best recognize -- it happens. i was underneath a small pyramid in giza, and it's dark, and these british guys, and there's this one guy, the egyptian fake tour guide, going to take you down there and charge you to get out. so he is walking down and these men are talking and they said, are you okay back there? i said, yes. and the guy -- i recognize you voice. are you henry rollins? and i'm like, yeah, and it's pitch darkness. [laughter] >> yeah, i am. and we got outside moments later. he is like, i thought that was
you. and i thought, this is weird. but sometimes due to the fact i have been in all these films, somebody is watching those films, and in indonesia i would guess recognized a lot and they would name some title that i didn't know eventually came occupy. it like, europe, and i i'm like, did that come out? i didn't know it got contribution. they're like, you were great in it. and i'm like, gees. somebody should show you a real movie sometime. but it happens in weird places. just because of television. but when you get way out there, like, way out into -- like, way out there, no. no. which is kind of cool. you can be on your own. >> i'm sure there must be more questions. >> yes, sir. >> hey, henry. in your speaking engauge. s you meet aberdeen in -- meet
everybody in the audience -- >> to brake the ice you into stories, where the men hang out, the nephew owns the store, the canning degree gait. i go in and lurk, and finally someone would say, what are you doing here? i'm here to meet you my name is henry. 0, meet my uncle, and the conversation starts hi and i've done this all over the place. like in damascus, my friend, come into my store. all right. what's happening? what do you think of my president? bad politics. what cow do you think offer president? can't say anything because of the camera. let's have tea. meet my cousin. what's happening? and styles like, come to meet my family and that's happened to me in beirut. going home with the cab driver to meet his family. his wife made me coffee and gave me cantaloupes and cherries. i tripped the kids out. i'm all sun burned and sweaty,
on caffeine. what's happening? the kids are terrified. but if you just show your curiosity, people go, you're curious about that? yes, i am, and they're happy to tell you a thing or two. luckily for me, whenever i'm staggering around new york, that guy will run into me. hello, for me, try find me. empire state building. i'm like, you ran into the right guy. we must walk there now. welcome to my country. where you from? i've been there. come on. and welcome to america. eat the pizza. bring a friend next time. let's all get along. sake the hand. see the big buildings? that's the one. have a great day in new york. so try tie return the favor. so i love it. do you know how to get the? yes. and i'll help you if i don't know because people have done that for me in other parts of the world. we can definitely get along. they make money keeping us apart, and there's also profit
in keeping people together but that divide and conquer, that spins very well all over the world and i hate that buck. so and i go out there to disaprove the validity of that buck at often as i can. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> out of any of the places you traveled are what, do you think was the most surprising, either someplace you went to how to youth would be quarrel lore and it was completely different? >> i think iran was the most surprising. i didn't know what to expect besides going to iranian guys in high school, and a great activist in iran is a friend of mine, and she said when you go to iran i'm going hook you up with misfriends and family and every irann person said you got to get to tehran one day. and i'm like, really? we have a pretty touchy relationship with iran, and so i went, and the only drag was my
tour spy, who had to be with me dish got rid of him by noon. i'd say i was takeing a nap and i'd walk the streets and hang out with different families and in cabs every night going to neighborhoods and the people were falling over themselves to be nice to me. i never felt in danger and i put miles on the streets in tehran and it was nothing like what i thought it was going to be. i hope i get back there everywhere else i haven't been that surprised. iran was the most surprising. i found amazing people. great food. really trippy ice cream. saffron ice cream in the best thing that ever happened to me in my life. and these amazing people, and i truly hole hope to get back there that was the biggest surprise of my travels. i didn't know what it would be like and it ended up being incredible. >> now we have time for one last question. and there's a lady -- oh, okay.
you know what we're going to? very quickly. >> hi, henry. i saw your show in annapolis in march. you mentioned a time when you were in uganda and you had a guide with we that was a soldier from the wars. >> yes. >> you came across this massive grave site. >> yeah. >> did you ever come across anyplace where you had to take photos of anything like that ex-anything from those wars, that horrible scar on humanity. >> you want to see dead body partness phnom penh in the killing fields, and i was in southern sudan, and we were traveling as part of the bucket of africa team, and he said pull over and he says in new year's day ises would fighting the north and throwing my ammunition cans in the ditch. he said they're still there.
and he said, yes, and my best friend died under the tree, and the locals come up and they, we'll show you thinged and the showed us the up pleaded mines and they said look at the con-fold cash cornfield and there's a massive mound and the cornes growing really way because there's so many bodies. and the soldier said, do you want me to find how bones and teeth in they're eave. not today thank you, and this soldier reachs into the dirt and pulls and he pulls out a t-shirt, and he shakes and it all this dirt falls off and the goes northern soldier and throws it on the ground and stalks away. he lost 34 tremendouses that day at that spot, and life goes on. they make a field and they plant the corn on top and they keep on going. but that's the only time i've been around that. i mean, a lot of southern sudan, you look on the ground, you can see bullet indicatings, 22 years of war. it's everywhere.
first you get like -- and then by day five you're like, -- have the everywhere. sometimes in piles. where there's a big conflict. so, yeah, that's the only time i've ever been around that. >> we're going to have one final question from the lady at the back. thank you for being patient. >> thank you very much for the great presentation. i agree with you that the world is an awesome place and the best education you can get is walking around in it. i'm curious, if you could choose an american politician to air drop anyplace in the world to learn something important about it, about the world they want to rule, who would you choose and where? [applause] >> i'm so glad. >> one american politician to be dropped somewhere in the world to learn a thing or two and come badge legislate from the things he or she learned?
john boehner. the speak are over of the house, an incredible amount of power and i don't think he is up sympathetic. i just disagree, but if he saw -- i just don't think he is a horrible person. i just think he is kind of toes the party line. if he saw things in a different way, maybe he would kind of momentarily divorce himself from his party line and realize bigger changes need to be made that are more sympathetic to a larger swath of the american public, and he would be a guy to get that memo to since he has so much power. and he does see a part -- he gets to travel quite a bit. but what those guys and gals, politician president get to see an 0 trip, i don't know if it's the same thing i'm looking at. it's a quick photo op and back on the plane. it would be him because hoe olds so much power and would definitely benefit to get a real tan instead of the tanning bed. can't be good for your skin.
[applause] >> henry, i want to thank you for tonight, and thank you all for coming, and i hope you will come back next week for -- patty -- that was her maden maiden name, i believe, patty boyd. very different. talking about her rock star loves, very different but you'll enjoy it, i'm sure. and henry, thank you. henry will be outside signing books. >> thanking for looking at the photos and being so open to it, and thanks for packing this place yet again this year. i'm not trying to wear you out by my presence but tut -- thank you for showing up. and sometimes these can be superboring but thanks for
soldiering through. we tried to make it as bouncy as possible. see you all down the road, i'm sure. good night. [applause] >> book tv visited baton rouge, louisiana, checking out literary culture of several locations around the country. next, an interview with rachel emanuel. the struggle for civil rights in louisiana. >> was a new orleans civil rights attorney, and he was the -- one of the most inflew enshall civil rights advocates
from louisiana for about four our five decades. he came back to louisiana in 1926 after graduating from law school, and the used his legal career to open doors for african-americans. first there were cases that dealt with teacher salaries equalization. he worked with the louisiana naacp as well as the national office of the legal defense fund. headed by thurgood marshall, and he was wedded to their philosophy on fighting for civil rights through the legal system. in those cases, they talked
about voter rights, public facilities, and educational opportunities. in a nonsegregated basis. the sheer volume of cases that he fought is so impressive, but of course there are some that were more integralry a personal story in that they involved his son, and those were the cases to desegregate lsu. louisiana state university was not open to african-americans when he started the first case in 1946. and in that case, there was a postman from new orleans that wanted to attend law school at lsu. there will no law schools for african-americans to attend in
the state. and the result of that case was the opening of a law school at southern university, an all-black school here, during that time. later, in the 1950s, he fought for -- to help odors open the df lsu law school and undergreat what school. so in 1953 his son was the first african-american to attend the undera graduate school at lsu. basically it was a media circus. they followed him around practically the whole time he was here. he discussed a time when he had to swim in the pool to -- for requirements for not taking that class, and there was quite a
spectacle of having an african-american in a pool that typically is a segregated situation at that time in louisiana. also, there were times when he was in the dormitory and he said students would bang on his door, or leave items at his door, to try to keep him up up a night, but howard lay -- loud radios at his door. there was extreme isolation he talked about. even the embarrassment in class of teachers state that they didn't know how they would be able to teach a negro, as we were called at that time, and even taking his paper, he said he felt like he was just a social outcast. he stayed about eight weeks. he did not finish school here.
there was some legal maneuvers that i believe the court decided -- well, the judge decided that -- the first decision allowed him to come was decided by a one- -- by one judge instead of a three-judge court and while they were dealing with that legal issue, he was asked to leave lsu and he enrolled at baylor university and never came back. but to have a father see his son going through what he did during those eight weeks, had to be a difficult thing. i remember interviewing his mother. i never got to meet senior. he died in 1972,